Dumb and Dumber Singaporean Reactions to the Haze

In times of crisis, how a country reacts speaks volumes about its people and its character. I am sad to say that many online reactions to the unprecedented haze does not bode well for the country’s future.

Why isn’t there a stop work order? Gahmen only care about economy and not its people!

This is the most common complaint, but there is a key piece of information missing in every complaint. Nobody backs up their complaint with how other countries react if the air quality is really bad. A quick online search tells us why:

  • On Wikipedia, there is only one case where a state of emergency is declared. If the API in Malaysia exceeds 500, then “non-essential government services are suspended, and all ports in the affected area are closed. There may also be a prohibition on private sector commercial and industrial activities in the reporting area excluding the food sector.”

What does all this tell us? Firstly, there is little international precedence for a stop work order if the PSI is at 400. Many services can still continue. If you examine the policies of other countries, you will notice that most countries still allow commercial and construction activities to continue as long as precautions are taken (e.g. workers use masks) and that the companies assess that the risk is still manageable. If the companies fail to manage risk and cause an accident, they are still liable to be prosecuted.

It also tells us that the bad effects of air pollution are mainly felt over the long-term, so a little short-term exposure is still somewhat ok.

The effects of a stop work order in Singapore are very serious, possibly more so than bad air. Today, many people are scrambling to buy masks and air purifier. People still need to buy groceries. Over the weekend, I still see many people eating at hawker centers. If a stop work order was issued, how are people going to get their masks and food? How are hospitals going to be staffed? Who is going to run the public transport system? Who is going to be delivering essential supplies? If the concern is that people working outdoors should not be working due to bad air, then the MOM has already stated that respirators are essential above a certain PSI.

Do the people insisting on a stop work order believe that the world revolves around them? Singapore is not the first country facing bad air and there are international cases for how to react. To blindly insist on a stop work order shows a failure of imagination and research.

The PAP wasn’t prepared for the haze!

If the Govt wasn’t prepared for the haze, then where did the stockpile of 9 million N95 masks come from? These masks don’t just appear overnight. They expire every 3 years and have to be continuously replenished. And it is a major logistical challenge to distribute these masks to pharmacies all over the country.

If the Govt wasn’t prepared for the haze, then why is there already an Inter-Agency Haze Task Force comprising 23 govt bodies with plans in place when the haze hits? If you go to the websites of these agencies, you can see how these agencies have reacted to the haze by setting guidelines (e.g. medical assistance at polyclinics, closure of school activities etc)

If you are complaining that the Govt isn’t giving you free masks, then it is a sign of how unreasonable you are. Assistance has to be given to those who need it most, such as the poor, elderly and the vulnerable hospital patients. If you can read this message online, you can already afford a $3 mask. Don’t be a scrooge and pay for your own god-damn mask.

The PSI reading is inaccurate! Look at the sky, so much worse! Gahmen is trying to hide something!

Hello? Is there a brain in there? PSI is measurement of past pollution, because it is a 3-hour average. It is not a measurement of the present. If you want to see how bad the haze is RIGHT NOW, go look out of a window!

You can see on NEA’s website that the PSI can fluctuate wildly. This is because the localized effects of pollution can change wildly based on wind conditions. A PSI reading of any one particular point in time is useless because it can vary a lot within minutes. So it makes sense to smooth the readings over a period of time. Especially if the effects of bad air on health are measured over long-term (and not short-term) exposure

Singapore should do something to the Indonesians! The PAP is inept!

Hello? Are you asking for an act of war? It is crazy to insist on unilateral action that goes against the sovereignty of another country.

Shameless public behavior

There’s a world of difference in the way Singaporeans have reacted to the haze compared to say, Japan.

When Fukushima happened, the Japanese were queuing up in an orderly manner for essential supplies like water, even though they have lost their homes and were facing a looming nuclear disaster.

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When the haze happened, we see some Singaporeans hoarding masks, or even worse, reselling those masks at a marked-up profit. This is bad for everyone. Masks are cheap enough such that they can be easily hoarded. If the hoarding is bad enough, then it may not be enough for the Govt to release their N95 stockpile. It’s no wonder the PM had to tell people not to hoard masks.

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Shameless online critics politicizing the haze, instead of lending a hand.

In other countries, an externally-triggered crisis would normally cause citizens to put aside their differences and rally towards a cause. Notice how the Americans came together after 9/11 and the Boston bombings? Notice how the Japanese [edited from Japs] came together to help each other after Fukushima?

But in Singapore, we have multiple sites from the online community that are known to be anti-PAP and politicize almost all events as resulting from the incompetence of the PAP. The haze is no exception. Online commentary has degenerated into a mudfest of nitpicking the words of politicians and how “slow” the Govt’s reaction has been.

Of particular note is The Heart Truths, a site that claims to come across as a level-headed critique of the PAP, but is actually a site that uses half-truths and misquoted information. For example, the author tried to poke holes at VB’s claims that “other countries also use 24-hour averages for their air quality indices”. However, this claim was swiftly rebutted by MEWR, who honestly speaking should be concentrating on tackling the haze rather than rebutting unfounded online accusations. I would urge readers to boycott The Heart Truths. Life’s too short to read the lies of this author.

The ironic joke is that while all these complaints about the PAP are intended to make the Govt look bad, it actually speaks volumes about the site owners and authors themselves. These sites are not using their online reach to reach out to the public and spread reassuring words on how to deal with the haze, or how to contribute to helping your neighbor, or help spread the message on what is being done to combat the haze. They prefer to politicize the issue. Even the Worker’s Party has chosen not to politicize the haze. By focusing their efforts on blaming the Govt instead of providing help and guidance, it goes to show who really loves Singapore, and who would rather see Singapore burn than to cede power to the PAP.

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  18. darren tay says:

    Latest from our Self-Pumping Assxholes ……. summarising how they are still worth their muilt -million. wages.
    Dont worry for him. There are plenty of clowns , monkeys and dafts who adores their magic.

    >>SINGAPORE: Deputy Prime Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam said Singapore has >>responded well to the haze
    >>He noted that Singapore has taken the situation in its stride and the country knows how to deal >>with problems when they arise though he stressed there are learning points every time the >>country faces a major problem.
    >>…
    >>….

    • darren tay says:

      Any clowns or pet monkeys want to take a break from washing master’s balls, and spell-out what their master really did in haze crisis besides only publishing PSI on TV ! … and still it mess up !

  19. darren tay says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen! The million dollar question ! Why do singaporean/ netizens blame/attack government instead unlike American ,Japanese in national crisis ??

    The reason is because a big and growing number of citizens realize our country is run by a party of traitors who took care of themselves instead of the interest of citizens they represent..

    Just like during WW2 some singaporean will chose to fight with Japan army head-on and get killed but others will choose to fight with other singaporean ie traitors ie intelligent officers and translators .( we know who ) who work for japan army instead.

    Lets look at some facts of our government ie traitor . They get mult-milion salary (15 years ago), 30% increment and 8 month bonus . But lowest wage worker in singapore are denied minimum wages . Our PM is paid higher then all the G8 country leader’s combined salary. But for lowest citizens their no minimum wage benefits are in-line with Somali,Afghanistan,Cambodia.

    Also in Singapore ie traitor land university seat are majority occupied by foreigner students who gets free scholarship, free lodging, and monthly allowance. But to local youth our Malaysian Minister Khaw advice them recently that university degree is not important or necessary.

    Although such recommendation isn’t sensible .in most countries but this is basic logic in Singapore run by traitors . Millions of cheap foreign degree workers is coming to replace them anyway. so these kids will suffer next time whether they got degree or not.

    Open our eyes wide and think a little . We are different from American or Japanese.

    • I hate stupid Singaporeans says:

      I wonder what kind of life you lead. But one thing for sure is, it doesn’t matter who the government is, you’ll still be as pathetic wherever you go.

      • darren tay says:

        Can please write something more worthy ?

        I thought some clowns claim here is for ” … critical …. personal … not…” ? which gets me really energized for CRITICAL.

    • George says:

      Ok Darren, off the bat, your post is ridiculous. But let’s go step by step.

      -PAP are traitors
      What exactly have the PAP done to be branded traitors? I certainly don’t agree with a lot of their policies but what exactly have they done to be called traitors? Under them, the economy has been growing, home ownership has increased and standard of living has improved. I’m sure you think otherwise but yes it has, in the long run things have always been getting better. The data is here for home ownership is here, you may google the rest.http://www.singstat.gov.sg/statistics/visualising_data/chart/Home_Ownership_Rate_Of_Resident_Households.html.
      I’m going to ignore your comparison to WW2 which makes no sense at all. To reiterate, whether you agree with them or not, nothing they have done can be used to classify them as traitors. Honestly speaking the fact they are paid high salaries have no relevance, high salaries are not at the expense of trying to do good for the country, there is no connection whether you agree with the salaries or not.

      -Plight of low income households
      Tying in with the above point, whether the PAP is doing enough for low income households does not make them traitors. It only defines whether they have the interests of all members of the society in mind. I do not if its enough but low income households do get help. Did you know that households with less than $800 can get subsidized hdb’s for rent at $30/month? The 2013 budget has many provisions for helping the poor. See this link: http://sg.news.yahoo.com/budget-2013–elderly–lower-income-families-welcome-help-105850825.html.
      I too don’t agree with the lack of a minimum wage but I can understand the government’s reasoning, they are afraid of losing competitiveness as Singapore is in the midst of multiple low wage countries.
      Your comparison to Afghanistan, Somalia etc. is insane so I’ll ignore that.

      -Education
      Singaporean students rank 1 in the world in Math and Science. Yes scholarship’s are given to foreign students but no, Singaporean students are not being displaced by them. If you are upset that your son/daughter did not get into NUS, please do not blame foreigners. Higher education is basically guaranteed for Singaporeans and the vast majority have some sort of higher education. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Singapore#Key_statistics
      What Minister Khaw was trying to say is that not everyone needs to have a University education, you can learn the arts, be a dancer, a Singer a designer. These kind of creative jobs are not valued highly in Singaporean society. Think rationally Darren, what exactly does anyone have to gain by convincing Singaporeans to stay out of college and bringing in foreigners instead.

      I hope you see reason and consider yourself lucky to be born in one of the most comfortable countries in the world, where almost everyone has a roof over their head and do not have to worry where the next meal will come from. These basic necessities are all but guaranteed in this country but do NOT expect the government to bridge the gap between the HDB and the Condo, or the gap between the MRT and a nice car. That is for you to achieve yourself.

      • I hate stupid Singaporeans says:

        You have just wasted your time in typing all that.
        DARREN TAY JUST NEEDS TO GO TO SCHOOL. Why didn’t the government ensure that he underwent the compulsory few years??? Even primary school kids can speak better. Unfortunately there are a lot of people like him, which brings Singapore down.

      • darren tay says:

        Let be honest to yourself . the real reason you sweep off ‘traitors’ reference to WW2 is because the facts here is more solid then steel rather then anythings else. Lee kuan yew and s nathan are both traitors during WW2 as they work for our japanese enemy who invaded our country and killed many of our people. George, your granddad wont denied it, your daddy wont denied it , your son wont denied it and your grandson wont denied it. And therefore you too should not hide but face the facts of history as it is.

        I have already state very clearly that a lot of citizens like myself view pap as traitors as we see them serving themselves much much more than they work for the people they are suppose to represent. Ofcos such calls are different from that ‘WW2 traitor’ reference in most sense. And if anybody want insist they are not traitors but are disloyal, thieves, fake, con artist , self-serving , not doing honest job ,etc … i have no objection . Citizen should open their own eyes and judge for themselves .

        George your argument basically can summaries as… “Under them, the economy growing, home ownership has increased and standard of living has improved. ….consider yourself lucky …. comfortable countries in the world, where almost everyone has a roof over their head and do not have to worry where the next meal ”

        Screxw all these con nonsense lah George!
        Singapore has been a relatively well off cities ahead of it neighbors even before PAP took over as ruling party Why you keep getting con by government ie LKY that singapore is a barren of rock and they only built everything ! This bunch of shameless leaders can vomit shit out of their mouth non stop to grab all the credits for themselves. Observe the crime ,death, accident and many many real event happening , singaporean can see the numbers are written to meet their own KPI bonus.

        Lets compare all their ‘achievements’ with other countries hongkong,taiwan, korean and lesser extend malaysia, thailand. Are we very far ahead because of pap? plain bullshit singapore can hardly claim we are better in most ways. Are these country stuck in stone age and their citizens no food ? Our mrt not working under cheap policy, Track break into two repeatedly, electric cable burned , mrt tunnel smoke come out and fire alarm no working etc. Taiwan have 4 minor delay only whole of last two years! Our SIA no longer ahead in safety after few crash compare to these countries. Facts are singapore are not exceptional in anyway under PAP like what they boost up to be ! They are just in comparable- nothing extraordinary. And incrediblilty some article on papers already have data pointing singapore’s crime rate higher the malaysia !! Last month still got gangster chopping each other at cinema ! Government is definately lousy lousy lousy based on muilt million dollars expectation !
        We should be paying them at minimum wage if we have one . Singapore broke 10k+ dengue case ! Did malyasia broke record ? Singapore too have lots of old folk roaming the street combing rubbish bins and appearing and eat people’s left over food in hawker center.

        Please stop believing in traitor government’s nonsense and their lap dog medias and con papers and their internet monkeys’s doing daily self pumping to grab all the credits ,money and benefits for themselves !

        More singapore facts … con government are letting new citizens skip NS but local goon need to defense country. There is few suggestion by traitor mp for foreigner to just pay NS bond skip ns. I am sure this is what very rich people ( their usual friends) wants as they dont have problem with money .
        Another malaysian MP who himself exempted from NS, suggested local females should do some kind of national duties. Singaporean are really screwed by these kind of questionable foreigner representative who benefited themselves keep dishing out ‘screw singaporean’ ideas.

        traitors starts a 2 dollars company and successfully tender big government project. And a minister did a heart ops for 8 bucks while a a poor family need to pay their daughters operation for 40 years on installment because the family are very poor.
        By the way he also thought of shipping old folks to JB /batam. Recently we have a case of family abandoning their old folk at jb again but mind you this minister is thinking on a grand scale , Maybe kick out half a million grandpa grandma ??
        Desperate mother break-down and need to throw disable child down flats . What have PAP done good? Fxxxk these PAP traitors men !

        Our multi-million dollar leader’s good class bungalow so big can build a bowling lane inside. Go ask them yourself if you want to know how many ! This list goes on and on and on …..

        On eduction , George you and con government suggested singaporean children are too stupid and don’t deserve our own university so better to give foreigners kids. I think you like traitor government are completely brain whacked on this. But i let all parents in singapore to think for themselves to decide whether their kids better further have more studies or they better sacrifice those place for foreigner kids to ‘help’ singapore. After all i have to agree i can only show parents these are con jobs by their government. But i cannot force these parents to believe the facts i laid down.

        By the way George, do government have plan to exempting local boys doing NS because some kids are not strong ? Locals must do NS foreigners dont need , but local no need university studies but foreigners kid should have it. What is fxxking wrong with you George ? Are you getting millions too ?

        To me not a doubt , those are clearly traitors and their traitor policies !

      • Rahrahsingapore says:

        Wow Darren, I didn’t bother to finish reading your hate post. But I read enough to know that all these is considered slander. Good luck, you may be serving time in Changi soon. That will be a good time to reflect. Oh yes, and a great opportunity to brush up on your English as well

      • darren tay says:

        Waiting for what then ?
        What else have your got ?
        These traitors should long have my name my house my workplace my family ….. . everything !

        I am really want to spit onto these traitors face on court if we meet there. It is really not important to me what their pet kangaroos are going to rule.me slander or whatever !
        I know i am right and a lot of citizens know i am speaking fair and honest !

    • Yolanda says:

      Okay, I understood what are you trying to get at. You’re bitter of your own incompetence to achieve in this competitive world and now your greatest weapon is to brand the government as traitor. What a brilliant supporting argument you have.

      I hope you haven’t been using the “traitor’s” GST voucher and have returned it to them. I also hope that you’d demand to pay the full bills in polyclinics and hospitals because you wouldn’t accept a traitor’s subsidies. Finally, I also hope that you have rejected the 17% contribution of your employer to your CPF because the traitor has asked of it to help lessen your retirement burdens.

      If you have accepted all these monetary incentives [let’s not get to physical safety, psychological ease and a sterling junior education (tertiary education is up to you to achieve by the way)], you have NO RIGHT to brand the government as traitor.

    • firefox says:

      really? then you move out of Singapore lah…kpkb for what

    • dennis says:

      i refuse to take anyone who suggests that singapore should have a minimum wage scheme seriously. i mean, dude, go and learn your economics all over again.

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    • I hate stupid Singaporeans says:

      Then there will be stupid people who claim that he is generalizing, to tell him to stop disgracing Singaporeans. And continue to say that’s a kiasu mentality created by the government, inefficiency and everything but themselves.

      • Fuck off Foreigners (FT) says:

        Fuck off please, singaporean had become so kiasu is because there are too much of fucking foreigners in sg to snatch our resources/high-paying jobs, our property… Especially our neighbour country(Malaysia).. And summore as a singaporean guy, who r just less then 25% of the current population, had to surved e fucking Army to protect our fucking foreigners? Why r we being so stupid to ve sinvaporean?

  23. Jm says:

    There will never be a government truly for the people. Only groups whose mutual interests happen to align with the majority of the people. That said, I don’t expect the government to be perfect, or bend over backwards for the citizenry. But you know, at least learn to communicate properly. This, the PAP totally fails at, because in politics it matters more how and who says what to calm a nation rather than what is actually done. That is the most important attribute a country leader needs to have. There are CEOs without education who are able to communicate with their company staff much better than our country leaders. I mean, speaking arrogantly, bashing and questioning people on social media… That’s not the way a leader does things. If the government/Pap learned to communicate properly, a good portion of this haze ‘politics’ would have been avoided

    • Susan Jeong says:

      Totally agree with you. This government is full of arrogance. How do you expect us to trust them? Look at the way the ministers speak, trying to talk down to us and insisting that they are always right, even when presented with evidence to prove them wrong. Take the case of someone who screenshot the PSI reading to be 393. Instead of admitting it as a minor error, it insisted that no such thing has happened.

      We can tell who is telling the truth straight away. What an insult to our intelligence for the PAP to come up with a “factually” website. Do you expect us to believe everything you write there? Don’t treat us like idiots or we will treat you like one!

      • Harry Ang says:

        Why the stress on the 24 hour PSI? Logically, if you want to go outdoor for a jog and you look at the sky and it is hazy, would you rely on the 3 hour PSI rather than the 24 hour PSI? Why would you rely on a long 24 hour PSI rather the short and more up to date 3 hour PSI? Does not make sense!
        Also why leave out the publishing the PM2.5 when this index is most critical for the elderly & those suffering heart or lung troubles? One needs to go to the website to search for the PM2.5 index. As the PM2.5 seems to exceed 40, which affects people with heart & lung disease these current period, all the more that the PM2.5, esp the 3-hr be highlighted in the media!

  24. darren tay says:

    JAKARTA – Malaysia on Thursday stepped up pressure on Indonesia to do more to stop outbreaks of smog after fires on Sumatra island sparked Southeast Asia’s worst air pollution crisis for years……
    …..

    Article never mention our over-boastful, over-paid under-achieved government got any plan or in any discussion to stop haze issue with Indonesia . Our government must be smartly relaxing aside waiting to eat the free lunch Malaysia government got through their hard work .

    Shamelesslyy they will claim all credits through our world ranked 154 ( ie untrustable) media/papers how they make the ‘achievement ‘ when Indonesia signed on Malaysian’s document.

    Well am i too early to screxw our con artist ie government ? Not at all if you look at how they never successfully ratify our water contract with the ‘relatively friendly’ Malaysia neighbor .

    Oh ! Got some progress here i am sorry ! …………… Red dot gets to drink expensive pee water .

    • The green one says:

      Hi Darren,

      I utterly amazed by your blatant bias.
      Are you some sort of sophisticated PAP troll?
      Because you really make the opposition supporters look bad.

      • darren tay says:

        You better stop worry for opposition. But double up to wash pinky master’s balls .
        Other dogs are already on their way .

  25. The green one says:

    Don’t totally agree but do agree on the over reaction and the blatant bias of some online sites. And some of these die hard government critics always seem to have a tendency to use vulgarities or phrases like “lap dogs” as part of their arguments.
    I don’t think our government is perfect, but I think they are better than alot of other governments. Being critical is good, but being personal is not.

    • darren tay says:

      The only think i recall government did right is on their own pay. Even after pay reduction exercise they still got it right at multi millions.

      ” lap dog ” is mend to be a complement on them.

      • The green one says:

        Hi Darren,

        Your posting proves my point.
        Have a pleasant week ahead.

      • Hazegotinyourbrain says:

        haha. nuff said.

      • darren tay says:

        Whatever point lap dogs have still cannot deny the fact that haze issue and dengue issue and many many others issues are always not done sufficiently by our over-boastful, over- paid under-achieved government we have.

      • I hate stupid Singaporeans says:

        I’m back to entertain myself with these comments. You should also blame the school, the government for your education (or lack of)

  26. darren tay says:

    Just some simple thinking ….

    Is it citizen’s frustration and complaints that finally lead Indonesia President to apologize and start fighting their haze now ?
    Or is it due to Indo army general’s compassion ?
    Or is it due to our multi million dollar government’s inaction , if their is , their inaudible protest to Indonesia ?
    Or is it due to lap dogs and internet monkeys frantic squealing for citizens to breath thick smokes in silent ?

    ….the reason for hopes coming !

  27. (Please do not delete my post.)

    Hello everyone,

    Please see at this link my rebuttal and response to MEWR:

    http://thehearttruths.com/2013/06/26/the-heart-truths-responds-to-mewr-on-the-haze-psi-reading/

    Thank you.

    Roy

    • sgthinker says:

      I don’t intend to delete your post. But I should point out that I responded to you in your blog more than 24 hrs ago, but the response is still awaiting moderation. Pasting it here again.

      ———-

      Roy

      I am unhappy with your blog is because it is a prime example of disingenuous online behavior.

      On one hand, you claim that govt should react faster to the haze. “In a time of such urgency and scale, the government has reacted at a less than vigourous pace. Well-crafted statements and updates only belie the lack of urgency that the government has in tackling the matter.” http://thehearttruths.com/2013/06/20/the-haze-and-what-it-says-about-our-government/

      On the other hand, you poke holes at VB’s claims that “other countries also use 24-hour averages for their air quality indices”. http://thehearttruths.com/2013/06/22/vivian-eng-hen-other-countries-publish-24-hourly-psi-readings-sure-or-not/
      Thereby forcing the ministry to have to spend time rebutting you, which distracts them from the key task of tackling the haze. http://app.mewr.gov.sg/web/contents/contents.aspx?contid=1830 I may be wrong, but I don’t think you have actually apologized for your mistake yet.

      All Singapore needs is a couple more blogs like yours, and the govt will be spending more time defending themselves instead of improving our lives. Is it any wonder I would urge readers to boycott you?

      —————

      Ironically, I may have ended up sending more traffic to your blog by pinpointing you.

      • Hi sgthinker,

        I will not debate with you on what “disingenuous online behavior” is. I think readers are better able to make up their own minds on this. One of our article titles have been more disingenuous than the other.

        In this response, I would like to point out the facts. Other countries have been able to produce hourly readings for some of their air pollution indices.
        http://thehearttruths.com/2013/06/26/the-heart-truths-responds-to-mewr-on-the-haze-psi-reading/

        At the height of the haze, it is important for the government to provide timely and up-to-date readings on the haze, so that people are able to take immediate steps to protect their health, as have been pointed out by many Singaporeans. Yet, the government had announced that 24-hourly averages would be more favourable. This is irresponsible as the people would not be able to have timely updates to monitor the haze.

        By reporting on this, we are helping to protect the health of Singaporeans.

        The Malaysian government had also announced on Tuesday that they would be releasing hourly updates. It is disconcerting that our government would go the other way instead.

        Thank you.

        Roy

        P.S. I did not realise that one of your comments was awaiting moderation. You had posted the same comment across several articles and WordPress would put the replicated comment on moderation, in the event of spam. Your other comment has been approved.

      • Michelle Cheong says:

        Who is the disingenuous one here? If you are honest with yourself, you should post what VB had said at the press conference in full. All I can say from this episode is that the hearttruth tries to debunk some half-truths and got flamed for doing so. Blogs like yours calling people “dumb and dumber” will only serve to divide the people. What hearttruth did is only asking “sure or not” and laying out information. Your over-reaction to his blog, calling for a boycott, is not just childish, considering you are already 40year old, but also displays your partiality towards the ruling party.

      • theonion says:

        Heart Truths

        When blogs like this pinpoint your fallacies, you claim victim.
        What about the real victims at the times of your half truths or totally fallacious facts, agreed with Sgthinker and also his point on the irony of more traffic

  28. I appreciate those who respond to the situation with an independent mind. You will know that when a writer sometimes writes in support of the government and sometimes not. It is after all about the issue at hand. Contrast this to those who are every ready and consistently either wholeheartedly support the government or vehemently oppose them, whatever the nature of the issue. I think there are many such examples here derived from past baggage clouding their view of current issues.

    • darren tay says:

      You are a fool to think netizens writing is solely “derived from past baggage clouding their view” .We all know there is no scientific prove that prolific hopeless goons will fail again on his next attempt .But please bet your next dollar they will.

      He who blow up YOG budgets by 200% and provide student volunteers with less then a dollar dog foods will also badly in dengue control. Open your eyes wide wide and see with your eye balls . We have broken record 10k infected already and 4th death still counting..

      What are they good at ? counting million dollar notes

  29. Kerry Wong says:

    i think sgthinker is pretending to be a moderate voice to hoodwink opposition supporters. There are simply too many glaring questions unanswered.

    • freshsalad says:

      Can give examples (of glaring questions) please.

      • darren tay says:

        A glaring example is why dengue infections can spread until 10k ++ case ?

        Bo Jo Gang ! Take multi millions but didnt do proper oversight letting lap dogs like NEA do the sloppy job.

      • Hazegotinyourbrain says:

        so easy to blame the government. you think they are gods: control weather, control economy, control mosquitoes. get a life!

      • darren tay says:

        Man …Who is pocketing the mult millions and claiming to be world class indispensable government for red dot ?

        As world’s best paid people is it unreasonable for it’s citizens to ask them to control economy and mosquitoes ? And complaint loud when con artists fail to act or perform repeatedly ?

        Any netizens asking the con government to control weather s ?…. lap dogs are imagining things they need to eat more biscuits.

      • Hazegotinyourbrain says:

        Hi Darren, you really need to watch your language (and your grammar, and your spelling. which makes your comments even harder to stomach). Everyone is entitled to an opinion, so stop labelling others as “lap dogs” or “fools. You insult them and you insult yourself as a person.

        The rising trend of dengue cases coincides with the warm humid season, and we are not new to this. The govt has educated the public through mainstream media, engaged more NEA officers to ensure that potential mosquito breeding sites are kept in check, and also engaged pest terminator companies to aid in the campaign. You want the authorities to help you install bed nets and while doing that, rock you to sleep? By the way, did you thank the Indonesian govt for sending the haze over, which probably prevented the dengue cases from increasing?

        I agree that it’s not wrong to expect more from our government since they are the highest paid in the world. Still, the expectations should be reasonable.

        Have a great day ahead! =)

      • darren tay says:

        I call them all like it is …. Lee Kuan Yew a WW2 traitor . A lap dog a lap dog and a fool a fool.

        So lap dog like you accepts warm season can have dengue (ie give excuse , push blame) ? And million dollar paycheck is just about educate talk cock to public ? And call up pest controller . What is so fxxxKing challenging calling the pest controllers ?

        Until today fools like you think netizens want govt to rock our beds ? Dont you clowns understands dengue cases already break record few time hitting passing 10k and 4 people died ? When are you dogs gonna wake up and bark the right direction at government who got the responsibility fix dengue crisis instead of fixing opposition MP. on lame issue like harwker centre cleaning. ?

        Go bark your multi million masters to their respective GRC ,Get in the drain and search i for baby mosquitoes and then eat it ! The NEA officers and efforts to fight dengue to date is proven to be not sufficient.

        I am going to kick your third dog leg hard when the number breaches 15K..

      • Hazegotinyourbrain says:

        You’ve really got to do something about your English. A pity really. It seems that the first class education provided for you seems to have gone down the drain.

        You can start here:
        http://www.goodenglish.org.sg/

        Until then, please don’t insult our intelligence further by posting any more comments.

      • darren tay says:

        Is that all you have left.? few GRAMMAR bullets ?
        Please stuff it up your doggy hides too ! .

      • DarkChocolate says:

        Lol.. People like Darren Tay should just go pack their bags and go somewhere else. One very good example of someone acting like a whiny kid. Dengue is EVERYONE’S responsibility. Don’t everything also blame the government. They did their job in checking homes, spraying whatever that is that kill mosquitoes.. And you just shake leg at home typing furiously on your keyboard about how “our government did nothing!!!” When is the last time you check your own house for mosquito? Never right? So don’t bullshit here and get hell out of Singapore before you breed any stupid children like you.

      • White Chocolate says:

        @DarkChocolate, same goes for you too. Ball carriers of your kind are not wanted in Singapore. Please leave.

  30. alibaba says:

    Let’s observe what our hopeless government did in the beginning of both event ie dengue and haze. In both case they did absolutely nothing. . NEA was quarreling with WP happily . Earlier NEA started some kind of useless mosquitoes check which didn’t had any effect anywhere and the death count start coming in . Both instant all the big shots all relax a corner count multi million dollar pay day which gets Vivian so bored and he invited LTK for coffee !

    Thanks to the lot of citizen’s very loud complaints which drive these hopeless overpaid pigs to sit in butts and show faces . Thanks to citizens anger we get USA and the world to get Indonesia president to take haze pollution seriously. If we depend on pinky lee’s apologetic dropping dick, he will still be polishing Indo army general’s boot today still.

    Dont compare with Japanese please ! Singapore is still under the japanese traitor 50 year since WW2 over.

  31. Calvin says:

    Some words to ponder on (at the time when certain standards were deemed acceptable and never questioned)
    Utah Phillips: Kids don’t have a little brother working in a coal mine, they don’t have a little sister coughing her lungs out in the looms of the big mill towns… Why? Because we organised; we broke the back of the sweatshops in this country; we have child labour laws. Those were not enlightened gifts from benevolent management. They were fought for… bled for… died for by working people, people like us… No root, no fruit.

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  33. Passive Smoker says:

    The haze was simply used as a “punching bag” by netizens already seething with anger, frustration, and discontentment directed at many policies that have disadvantaged them individually, as well as their families collectively. So their explosive reactions towards the government was interpreted by you as “dumb”! You may not have felt so much of the effects of the policies in your life, but these people have been stung by them!
    The government has said that the haze is a seasonal problem, and had expected it to happen again this year, but the stockpile of 9 million N95 mask was not made readily available at outlets! Whatever supply left over from last year was quickly snapped, and these outlets had to wait for the government to release the stockpile to them!
    Granted that we can’t blame the government for the intensity of the haze, which I agree is unprecedented compared to the previous years, and which had caught everyone off guard! But the government should be sensitive enough to quickly release the masks, and distribute them free to everyone, instead of waiting for orders to be made. It was only after much pressure from angry netizens that the government finally announced the free distribution of mask – ONLY ON THE THIRD DAY, WHEN THE HAZE WAS STARTING TO CLEAR!
    Yes, we Singaporeans were DUMB ENOUGH to expect a harsh and cold machinery to be kind enough to respond quickly to the health and well-being of its FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS! AND THAT DOES NOT BODE WELL FOR BOTH SIDES! IT TAKES TWO HANDS TO CLAP!

  34. someone says:

    looks like there’s going to be an argument. Someone who calls himself ‘Contributions’ in a website named ‘tr emeritus’ has rebutted against SGthinker in this blog. http://www.tremeritus.com/2013/06/24/rebuttal-to-sgthinker-who-is-labeling-sgs-daft-and-hazy/

  35. Ang Kian Hock says:

    People only ask “sure or not” and you label them “dumb and dumber”. I wouldn’t call you a PAP dog, but a PAP lap dog. Woof Woof. Your article only serves to widen the divide between the pro-PAP and anti-PAP group further. Well done for doing that and showing us the stupidity of the candidate whom you supported during the PE by-election.

  36. patrick says:

    I can only suggest that you go out and work a 12-hour shift (with or without a mask) at any construction site on the island and then reflect honestly on how you feel afterward. Of course you’ll want to ignore the completely sore muscles that cover your entire body and the blisters on your hands and so on (because you probably don’t really ever do any manual labor) and instead only focus on how your eyes, nose, mouth, throat, and lungs have dealt with the air. Of course you won’t do this, but if you did and it negatively affected you, you’d then be forced to decide whether construction workers deserve the right to protect themselves from such harm. If you were to say “no,” then you’re some kind of mix between xenophobe and fascist/racist. If you were to say “yes,” then your whole blog post would need to be thrown out the digital window.

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  38. sgthinker says:

    Thanks for replying everyone. There’s too many comments to answer individually, so I’ll have to make a general sweep.

    There appears to be much mis-interpretation of my post. If you think I’m calling all Singaporeans dumb, I’m not. (Except for the “brain” comment. If you were one of those that gave that reaction.. my apologies for being blunt) My words specifically pinpoint the reactions as dumb, not the people themselves. Just like if I tell my son he said something silly, it doesn’t mean that my son is silly all the time. It’s called the “attack the argument, not the speaker”. A lesson that those who engage in name-calling could learn. And if you think I am a “PAP dog”, my posting history proves otherwise.

    The Stop Work Order is an emotive issue. It is understandable that many people believe that a SWO should have been given instead of asking workers to continue their job with a mask. But the popular view is not necessarily the right view. If popular = correct, then pop stars should be world leaders. It is better to look at scientific studies that have already been done on air pollution, which is what other countries that have faced air pollution before us have done. Other countries take a risk-management approach to air pollution, so I’m okay for Singapore to take that approach too. Incidentally, I know that Singapore’s PSI is not the same measurement & scale adopted by Malaysia and USA. But the different govt’s risk management approach still look broadly similar.

    And yes I know some of you are thinking of a targeted SWO for outdoor workers only. The same logic above still applies.

    Has the PAP responded fast and well enough? Some commentators and I think so. But others disagree. Obviously our standards differ, and I think it is pointless for me to attempt to bridge this expectations gap. What is good enough for the goose may not be good enough for the gander.

    Can Singapore force Indonesian to do more about the haze? My view is no. ASEAN is not the European Union where region-wide rules are binding. I believe ASEAN is just a talk shop, and the ability of Singapore to influence Indonesia is limited at best. Bear in mind that it was the Indonesians who first called us a Little Red Dot.

    Some commentators think that I believe PAP and govt should be immune from online criticism. Nothing in my post states this. Go ahead and criticize PAP when they do something wrong, I know I have. In this post, I am specifically pinpointing the sites that are known to be anti-PAP and politcise everything. We all know which these sites are.

    On a side note, I think some PAP politicians were stupid when they published this blog on Facebook. This blog has a title that rebukes others. One would imagine that politicians would be more politically astute than that.

    Finally, for those who complained that I never talked about the acts of kindness that “good Singaporeans” have done like donating masks. I didn’t talk about this mainly because the post was already too long and I was specifically only pinpointing dumb reactions. It’s a blog post, not a research thesis. I don’t have to cover everything. In any case, good job to those kind people out there.

    Sigh, it feels so silly that this blog response is almost as long (or longer?) than the actual post…

    • yay says:

      Thank you for voicing these things out. Good to know there are still people with their common senses intact. In the esrly days of the haze I took to yahoo.sg to see what people think abt the situation and I felt like I was walking in an alley full of hooligans. Every sane comment earned multiple dislikes, while pointless complaints got tons of likes. Lots of anger and finger-pointing there.

      But I must say, the title of this article is fodder for the already inflamed keyboard warriors. It will draw them like moths to, uhm…flames.

    • Cowmyass says:

      thanks for responding, and lets carry on the discussion:
      have you considered that some research results could also be massaged on behalf of political agendas?
      like big pharma in USA, releasing research results which helps their products, while those other minor-negatives are a little hush-hush?
      or like how canola oil is marketed as healthy etc, but in fact, is not exactly a good item? but coz canada depends a lot on its export for economical reasons?

      I agree that ASEAN is quite like a talk-shop. but given that Indonesia too, does rely a lot on investments from around the region, if SG Gov makes it difficult for SG companies and people to invest in Indonesia related businesses, their economy will be affected, even though we lack of a large geographical size. (money wise, it is not just the money going into Indonesia, but we also have to consider the money going into the pockets of the “higher ups” who call the shots. hurt them where it hurts, and they know you mean business.)

      • sgthinker says:

        As an individual, you are free to decide if research can be trusted. If you don’t believe the results, then feel free to do things your own way.

        But I suspect large organisations like govts can’t disregard research results based on unproven suspicions. Let’s use aspartame as an example. Many people believe that this is an unhealthy artificial sweetener. Some companies have chose to ban it, even though the EU and US govts have studied it and passed it. So what should the Singapore govt do? Ban aspartame or allow it? It’s only one choice or the other. One has proof while the other doesn’t.

        So I can understand why, in the absence of alternative evidence, that our govt chose to follow the methods adopted by other countries.

  39. Hotsup says:

    Well said !!!!!! 👏👏👏👏
    It time for ppl who love singapore n appreciate what the government had done for us to voice out , not like those , acting like a stupid spoil kid , n put the blame to the ruling party !!

    • darren tay says:

      Men , What had government done. ? Except for you stroking their balls, If they had ‘done ‘ the dengue infection cases can break 10k ++ record ? Cant you see there is nothing done or nothing useful is done ?

      To some dafts they insist government done a lot and at their super best ? but mosquitoes are smarter and beat them 1. LOL… let these flies run the government lah.! Ministers can all go stay in the drain ..

  40. #wearenotdumb says:

    Some good points in this article, but sorry, Singaporeans Are Not Dumb. http://owlcove.sg/article/singaporeans-are-not-dumb

  41. Just a thought says:

    I think you can love a country and hate the government at the same time. Just because people blame the government doesn’t mean they don’t truly love Singapore. In my opinion, they’re just ignorant or self-centered to not see the government’s efforts.

    • darren tay says:

      Men , What had government done. ? Except for you stroking their balls, If they had ‘done ‘ the dengue infection cases can break 10k ++ record ? Cant you see there is nothing done or nothing useful is done ?

      To some dafts they insist government done a lot and at their super best ? but mosquitoes are smarter and beat them 1. LOL… let these flies run the government lah.! Ministers can all go stay in the drain ..

      • Enigma says:

        Out of curiosity Darren, what measures do you think the government should have taken to combat the haze situation effectively?

  42. Kowloon says:

    Hail to our glorious leaders ! Under the divine PAP Leadership ganham made big efforts to turn the nation’s air quality into a healthy one.
    Even in the days of the arduous march, the forced march when the country was in hard time, he took a measure to channel a large amount of Fresh air from neighbouring indonesia. He personally indicated the-to-phase tasks the scientists should carry out to get the air quality to PAP approved levels

  43. Jordan Sim says:

    I don’t see any constructivity in your article. In trying to defend the PAP government, you have actually launched an assault on all Singaporeans by calling us dumb. Is this supposed to be the attitude of the PAP government? Instead of the government working with the people, it has now morphed into a government VS people situation. It reeks of of arrogance and elitism. Let me remind you that the government is elected by the people to work for the people, not to lord over the people. Continue with such arrogance and that will be the end of PAP, period.

    • Darkchocolate says:

      Dumb is probably not a suitable word for Singaporeans.. The author should have used “whiny”, “narrow-minded” and “babies” to describe SOME of the Singaporeans. I am a Singaporean ad truth to be told, I’m embarrassed with how Singaporeans have reacted to the crisis. AND also their blind obsession with the hello kitty, but that’s another story. Something is very wrong with people like you, someone say something that is not demeaning to the PAP, you people start saying they are defenders of PAP, bootlickers, dogs.. It’s like you can’t read an article with logic and sense. It’s like you got no brain at all. I hope you are not planning to have a next generation… Don’t ruin the country ya.

      • Hotsup says:

        👏👏👏👏👏

      • darren tay says:

        I don’t see any sense government , lap dogs and MIW internet monkeys tell citizens to breath the smoke in silent and wear mask ? Except ministers can continue to count their muilt million in peace.

        Is it citizen’s frustration and complaints that finally lead Indonesia President to apologize and start doing something on the haze ? Or is it due to Indo army general’s compassion ? Or is it due to rich government’s inaction and their dogs and monkeys in-biting the reasons for such a ray of hopes coming ?

    • Cynthia says:

      Very well said Jordan! In any country, there are always good people and bad people. This article is written in such a skewed manner to shame ALL Singaporeans by MAGNIFYING a few bad behaviour. Just 3.5 million of us out of 7 billion in this world. He should look at the good instead of focus on the bad. Foreigners would have a bad impression on us after reading this article. Does the reputation of PAP supercede all Singaporeans? The author should give some thoughts about it. If he don’t feel Singaporean at heart, then maybe he should just leave. Don’t sully our reputation for goodness sake please.

  44. AL says:

    I replied the following to the other blog. I think he/she has lost the plot.
    _

    Please don’t cherry pick the facts and create more F.U.D.

    It’s not good enough to call his argument “weak” when you are comparing apples to oranges to lemons in your arguments. I would love to go through all your points and refute them accordingly but i think pointing out the factual mistakes in point 1 alone will give a general sense of flawed thinking.

    • Obama’s climate action plan for America. Obama’s action plan is just that, a grand vision that he tries to get buy-in from the country. For your information, United States is one of the hold-outs that has yet to ratify the Kyoto protocol, which is the international treaty that sets binding obligations on industrialised countries to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases. Singapore has. With regards to our region, there is also the haze treaty which Indonesia refuses to ratify.

    • It is true that Tehran closed their banks for 5 days. However, you failed to also point out that they have “in 2011 there were fewer than 150” healthy days. According to a UN report “Tehran has roughly four times as many polluting particles per cubic meter as Los Angeles. Many cities known for their poor air quality, like Mexico City, Shanghai and Bangkok, are cleaner than Tehran.” If you take 5 days out of 215 days for one of cities with the worst air qualities in the world into context, does that sound like they are shutting down the city whenever air quality is bad?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/07/world/middleeast/tehran-is-choked-by-annual-buildup-of-air-pollution.html?_r=0

    • It is true also true that China is holding its leaders responsible. However, the operative words in the article are “local” government leaders”. If Singapore has any jurisdiction over the local Indonesian government leaders, I’m sure we will go after them as well. Ultimately its up to the Indonesian government to hold them responsible.

    • In addition, Beijing’s pollution “regularly exceeds 500 on an index that measures particulate matter in the air with a diameter of 2.5 micrometers.” And at the beginning of the year, the city regularly had spikes that went above 700. What was the plan of action? The government “temporarily shut down 103 heavily polluting factories and took 30 percent of government vehicles off roads to combat dangerously high air pollution.” Did they shut the city down? No.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100417934

    • Your post about New York stop work order is blatantly misleading. The link does not provide any additional information about working in the haze. There are equivalent laws in Singapore as well. And there are even hotlines set up that both the workers, and public can call to report hazardous conditions.

    • Malaysia did issue a stop work order when the PSI hit 700, you are right. The PSI never exceeded 500 in Singapore. I fail to see your point you are attempting to make.

    It is so important to provide context to whatever you are saying. You can say eating panadol will kill you, which is true, if you have liver failure, or if you take alcohol, or if you take excessive amounts over a prolonged period of time, or that you are simply allergic. But if you simply say eating panadol is bad, you are simply scaring people just to further your own point.

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